[Sticky] Should you own a firearm?  

 

GregBO
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23/08/2018 4:57 pm  

While this question seems easy to answer, it is actually a serious and rather complicated decision making process. Hopefully the below questions will assist you, or others, in rationally determining if you should own a firearm.

Whom are you going to protect with the weapon, or are you looking strictly for a recreational outreach opportunity? If for personal safety, would you REALLY be able to use it? If for recreational use, do you have a shooting range, club or area nearby that has safe and reliable all weather firing capabilities?

Are you willing to research and understand the implications and liabilities required to own a firearm? If so, then the decision making process gets a little easier. If for protection, then you need to prepare for personal or home defense, and you will need to decide if you should obtain a Concealed Carry permit to meet your objective.

Which firearm system is best suited for you and will meet your objective? A handgun or long gun? Rifle or Shotgun? You must have a firm idea of what type of weapon you are looking for so that you can become comfortable with it in training and while operating it in real world conditions. If you are not comfortable using the weapon, then it is as dangerous to you as it is for anyone or thing down range.

Once you decide upon a firearm system, how and where will you purchase it? What other related resources do you need now and which can wait until you become more proficient to purchase? Do you have a friend who will provide instruction and basic weapon operations training on your weapon, or will you pay a firearms instructor? Do you already have Personal Protection Equipment that is used for another household task, which can be used with this weapon? Do you have a weapons cleaning kit and the knowledge & ability to use it? Do you have a safe and effective location to secure the firearm? Do you know exactly what type and brand of ammunition your firearm needs?

Once you are able to answer yes to all the above questions, you will be able to ultimately use your new firearm with confidence, but only after you develop and implement a long term training plan to become proficient in its use.

If you answer no to any point then you should wait and reconsider the purchase.

If undecided, got to a range and rent a weapon for familiarization purposes, or ask a friend for help. As the adage goes, you either need to own a truck or know someone who has one.

​"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal." -Albert Pike

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23/08/2018 11:42 pm  

This is just my humble opinion, but I think every red-pilled man should own and be proficient with firearms. In the event of a societal collapse or natural disaster, it may mean the difference between life and death. As men we must always think ahead, be prepared, and acquire as many useful skills as possible to give ourselves the maximum possible advantage in any possible scenario.

I also believe men should own a multitude of firearms for different purposes. My short list:

1. A handgun - can be used for concealed carry, carried as a backup, and used for home defense as well. I'd argue that this is the first type of firearm a man should buy. Most versatile, ubiquitous, and effective rounds are 9mm, 38 spl, 380 acp, 40 s&w, and 45 acp.

2. Shotgun - after a handgun, this is the next logical choice. Absolutely devastating at close range, making it perfect for home defense. Also very versatile. Can fire anything from birdshot to buckshot to rifled slugs. Can take down anything from birds to large game. Simply a must have.

3. Intermediate cartridge semi-auto rifle - the AR15 springs to mind, but there are lots of rifles that fit the bill. Very versatile and effective weapon, and can be effective out to 500 yards. Can be used for anything from hunting small to medium sized game, to defense in almost any setting, from urban to jungle to desert environments. Not perfect, but there is a reason this is the primary weapon our troops use.

4. 22 caliber handgun or rifle - ammo is very inexpensive and lightweight, meaning a large amount can be bought, carried, and stored easily. Effective on small game like rabbits and squirrels, and will not completely eviscerate them like, say, 300 winchester magnum. Also a very fun way to spend a day at the range practicing your skills without blowing a fortune on ammo.

5. Heavy caliber rifle - gives the maximum effective range, and will take down almost anything on earth. For instance 300 win mag has a typical effective range of 1600 yards and carries an INSANE amount of energy. Typical chamberings include 308 winchester, 30-06, 300 win mag, but there are MANY options available. There are semi-auto options (ie the AR10, M1A, M1 garand) but bolt actions tend to have fewer moving parts and are therefore lighter, easier to maintain, more reliable, and more accurate.

It is not enough to simply own these weapons; you must be proficient with them. In addition to the weapons, you must also buy ammo! I recommend stockpiling at least 1000 rounds in your primary calibers. You must be able to fire them accurately under a variety of conditions, and learn how to properly clean and maintain them. You must address ALL questions GregBo posed above. Most importantly, you MUST learn how to handle and operate firearms safely. If you do not do all of these things, you have no business owning firearms in the first place.

Firearms can be fun, but it is important to remember that they are TOOLS, not toys. When used improperly, they can result in injury or death to yourself or someone else. When used properly, (if the need should arise, which you NEED to be prepared for) it may very well mean taking another life. This is not something to be taken lightly. Owning firearms comes with a heavy responsibility, and it will become a lifelong process of learning and improving your skills, but it will be well worth the effort.

Lastly, I just want to say I am by no means an expert here. I defer to experienced members such as GregBo, Pistol Pete, and Uly when it comes to these matters. However, I wanted to add to this discussion. I think it is a very important and often under-addressed topic which relates strongly to MGTOW, and these are all very important matters to take into consideration BEFORE buying a firearm. However, when approached with the appropriate respect and willingness to learn, it is one of the best decisions a man can possibly make.


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Old Buck
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24/08/2018 3:46 am  

There are indoor ranges here that will rent out firearms. You can try just about anything there.
This really helps trying to decide between a couple different models.

Try several different brands or types of ammo first before you stock up. No need to stock ammo that shoots for shit.

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28/08/2018 7:14 pm  

Oath Keepers pop into mind. Member?  Yup.

I'm just a garden variety type "terrorist" Life member of the NRA. Picked up an M1A incase the "Hilderbeast" got elected. When I'm not shooting, I'm loading.

My newest acquisition in a military gun, an 1860 Spencer carbine in 56-.50. Working up loads as we speak.

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GregBO
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28/08/2018 11:50 pm  

KB,

Awesome!

"My newest acquisition in a military gun, an 1860 Spencer carbine in 56-.50. Working up loads as we speak."

 

This is one of my dream weapons to shoot, though I don't want to think about what my shoulder will feel like afterwards however.

 

​"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal." -Albert Pike

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Knarley Bob
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05/09/2018 7:37 pm  
Posted by: GregBO

KB,

Awesome!

"My newest acquisition in a military gun, an 1860 Spencer carbine in 56-.50. Working up loads as we speak."

 

This is one of my dream weapons to shoot, though I don't want to think about what my shoulder will feel like afterwards however.

 

Is a hoot to shoot, MILD recoil. Aren't for anything larger than a whitetail. 340 gr. boolit, on top of 45gr. FFG.

Have seen some smokeless loads, looked pretty mild. The one you want to stay away from is a 45-70 trapdoor carbine. That will knock the snot out of you, TRUST ME.

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Don Keyknob
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05/09/2018 7:52 pm  
Posted by: It'sallbs

In UK you can have a shotgun if you go hunting or are a member of shooting club.

Shotgun can only hold 3 cartridges you are not allowed a gun for self defense.

You can also get an automatic rifle if it is.22 or under.

Licensing process involves interviews with the police and  a CRB check.

However, we ARE allowed peashooters, really thick elastic bands and twigs!!!! 


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MG-ɹǝʍo┴
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06/09/2018 9:45 am  
Posted by: Hector

I own two guns, a Beretta 92 and a Walther P1.

My answer: Yes, BUT if you think you want to get into guns, learn how to fucking use them safely first (ie: take official courses, don't learn from a friend or a 2nd cousin who is "into" guns).

Welcome to the treehouse, Hecter, frist rule about guns with the diminished and somewhat disabled US Constitution, is that gun ownership shall not be infringed, denied, nor abridged (do this to get that) in any way. Therefore registration of firearms itself is unconstitutional, so is denial on unrelated offenses in the spirit of no guilt by association and no double jeopardy being placed twice in jeopardy of loss for the same offense, the same way they revoke a drivers license for non payment of divorce rape, it's a slippery slope and we've been on it for more than a century. 

Which brings me to my coveted right to silence, I will not divulge gun ownership to any person directly or indirectly for the purpose of avoiding confiscation via the nefarious illegal acts of others pretending to be the law while violating the primary law and right to keep and bear arms. 

Silence is golden during times of radical and diabolical change. 

I'm a member of a militia formed to defend ourselves against tyranny both foreign and domestic. 

When you've been pushed as far as I/we have, you learn to take measures necessary for your safety, prosperity, and happiness, anything else is living death and destruction in a hell on earth.   


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17/09/2018 3:29 pm  

Check Tower... gun safety and muzzle awareness, everything else is just practice

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uoSʎWodɹɐH
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26/09/2018 8:36 am  

I LIVE IN TEXAS, NEED I SAY MORE?

Do to the increase in the price of ammo warning shots are prohibited!

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26/09/2018 11:12 am  

Most of the lead mined in Nevada and elsewhere since 1880 is all over Texas. 🤠 


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26/09/2018 4:19 pm  
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Do to the increase in the price of ammo warning shots are prohibited!

We don't call them "warning shots" around my neck of the woods, rather "ranging" shot to determine weather related bullet data ... yeah, that's the ticket!

​"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal." -Albert Pike

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Uly The Cunning
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28/09/2018 12:46 pm  

I think that everyone that believes in the idea of freedom and independence should own a firearm. Plan for the worst but hope for the best. How can you claim to be planning for the worst if you are not ready to defend yourself. That said, it is critical to understand and respect the power of the firearm, and not behave as a child with it. 

"Remember, you're fighting for this woman's honor, which is probably more than she ever did."
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MG-ɹǝʍo┴
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28/09/2018 12:56 pm  

Lets put gun ownership this way;

Should a caveman own a club? 

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Umbra Ascensor
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19/04/2019 3:15 am  

I think a person should own a gun if they feel comfortable, and are ready to use it for the intended purpose of owning it. At first, my mom was not happy about me getting my first gun, but after a while, she became used to it and comfortable and where we lived when I got it had some shady people living right in front of us. We also lived in an area where we would see snakes constantly. Onetime a pit-bull cornered my older sister on our back porch and after that incident, I was told, if it ever comes on our property, shoot it. The rifle actually, became something that we appreciated having due to where we lived and the people in front of us.


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The Evil Genius
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19/04/2019 3:39 am  

You know Umbra there is a REASON I didn't tell your mom before I gave you that gun! HA HA 🙂 


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19/04/2019 3:44 am  

There is a very important question that needs to be answered honestly.  Are you well enough psychologically to own one? One has to take a good look at where they are emotionally and mentally before they purchase an instrument of death.  If there is even a little doubt, don't purchase the firearm.  There is no shame in that, it's called personal responsibility.  


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The Evil Genius
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19/04/2019 3:53 am  

Holy crap! Travis is off his meds---he said something righteous, reasonable and sensible that doesn't involve hookers, truck stop restrooms, midgets, retards or floor drains! I think I feel feint! 


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Uly The Cunning
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19/04/2019 3:54 am  
Posted by: Travis3000

There is a very important question that needs to be answered honestly.  Are you well enough psychologically to own one? One has to take a good look at where they are emotionally and mentally before they purchase an instrument of death.  If there is even a little doubt, don't purchase the firearm.  There is no shame in that, it's called personal responsibility.  

This is an often overlooked and yet very important point. Mental health is often ignored and over-medicated with drugs to cause passiveness, but they are not suitable to own instruments of death. Very well said, Travis3000.

"Remember, you're fighting for this woman's honor, which is probably more than she ever did."
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19/04/2019 4:00 am  
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Posted by: Travis3000

There is a very important question that needs to be answered honestly.  Are you well enough psychologically to own one? One has to take a good look at where they are emotionally and mentally before they purchase an instrument of death.  If there is even a little doubt, don't purchase the firearm.  There is no shame in that, it's called personal responsibility.  

This is an often overlooked and yet very important point. Mental health is often ignored and over-medicated with drugs to cause passiveness, but they are not suitable to own instruments of death. Very well said, Travis3000.

Yep, a man can admit it when his mind is not right.  It's okay to own that.  It might not be a good idea to tell everybody, but taking responsibility is key.  If you're in a bad place folks, accept it and manage it.  Maybe get help if you need, just don't buy the firearm until you're out of that place.  


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