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Umbra Ascensor
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19/04/2019 2:47 am  

I saw this video and just recently got into a discussion with someone about self-defense. Some big things I have noticed, are people/girls carrying pepper spray or Mace and it is buried in their bags to where they can't retrieve it quickly or they allow it to swing on the end of a lanyard. Both of which cause it to be useless if your in arms reach. This brought me into my next thought process.

What is better to carry for a close quarter situation, 3 meters (15 feet) or less? Would a gun or knife be better? If someone is going to use a knife to threaten me or someone, they will do it when they are already close enough to render it effective making the use of trying to draw a gun and aiming to time consuming if its concealed, however, a fixed blade on the hip or a knife in the pocket could possibly be drawn a little earlier in something like this. So the question presumes, is there a time where a knife would be preferred in a self-defense situation or would it always be a gun?

This video is interesting and I was wondering your thoughts on what he does in his demonstration when using a gun against someone with a knife at 7 meters/21 feet.

 


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19/04/2019 2:53 am  

This is an excellent question and one that has been analyzed by many, including the Mythbusters. 

When in close quarters, the pistol becomes a liability more than a benefit when facing a knife in the hands of someone that knows how to use it. 

There is also an inherent risk of someone knowing hand to hand combat when trying to pull a hand gun on someone, as they may have the skills to disarm you and have the upper hand and your weapon. 

These guys are a hundred percent correct, in the video that you shared, that skill plays the part in deciding. However, I will still not pull my pistol if the range is too near, until I am sure it can not become a liability for me. Keep in mind, I am trained hand to hand combat.

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The Evil Genius
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19/04/2019 2:55 am  

Thats a great post...my problem with a knife is that a killing blow with one strike might be difficult without a lot of training and expertise. Yeah Jet Lee or Steven Seagal could provably do it. As for the draw time on the gun verses the knife posed for a strike? Well most people facing someone with a gun---drawn or not are not going to take the chance. Even so they might get the first cut but odds are it won't be lethal, the shot from the gun at close range WILL be lethal. But then you know I'm a gun guy and I can draw pretty fast. 


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Umbra Ascensor
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19/04/2019 3:21 am  

I agree with both of you. Having a fast draw time on a gun is important and useful, but as Uly The Cunning said, when in close range, and its going to be hand to hand, trying to pull the gun will become a liability if the assailant knows what one's doing. After some thought, I am thinking it may be useful to train to use both a knife and a gun. This way if I'm in a situation where a gun becomes to problematic to draw or use, I have something to use as backup. I do know most people the moment they see a gun or knife will back down unless they are either desperate to get their hands on your money or whatever it may be. I wish I still had the essay I wrote about Gun Control.


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Travis3000
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19/04/2019 3:41 am  

I would wear chainmail and a bike helmet.  How's knife boy going to beat me then? Answer: he's not.  You didn't see that knowledge bomb coming now did you? BOOOM!!! Travis3000 opens eyes baby!


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The Evil Genius
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19/04/2019 3:48 am  

Check this out---chainmail vs Arrow, knife, and machete.


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19/04/2019 10:11 am  

I will agree with the above posters. If you are in close proximity a gun looses its advantages. Worse yet you just gave your opponent a gun.  Things to remember, disarming is surprisingly easy, and even at war the order to fix bayonets was given for a reason.  

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20/04/2019 2:15 am  
Posted by: Travis3000

I would wear chainmail and a bike helmet.  How's knife boy going to beat me then? Answer: he's not.  You didn't see that knowledge bomb coming now did you? BOOOM!!! Travis3000 opens eyes baby!

Nice, I like it. Maybe I ought to incorporate Chainmail. However,  I do not think security guards will appreciate it when you have to go through their systems. 🙂


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20/04/2019 5:14 am  
Posted by: Umbra Ascensor
Posted by: Travis3000

I would wear chainmail and a bike helmet.  How's knife boy going to beat me then? Answer: he's not.  You didn't see that knowledge bomb coming now did you? BOOOM!!! Travis3000 opens eyes baby!

Nice, I like it. Maybe I ought to incorporate Chainmail. However,  I do not think security guards will appreciate it when you have to go through their systems. 🙂

Fuck them security guards.  What do they want? You to get your shit stabbed? I tell you what, if you get static from security guards just explain to them that you're smart and they're losers who hate life and endorse rape or some other abomination!  Walk away and show them your middle finger.  Bitch ass security guards need to get corrected.  


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21/04/2019 1:40 am  

I suggest a MP5.  Open carry with a chest holster.  Fire it through the holster if needed.

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Uly The Cunning
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21/04/2019 10:23 am  

"Remember, you're fighting for this woman's honor, which is probably more than she ever did."
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22/04/2019 6:58 pm  
Posted by: The Evil Genius

Thats a great post...my problem with a knife is that a killing blow with one strike might be difficult without a lot of training and expertise. Yeah Jet Lee or Steven Seagal could provably do it. As for the draw time on the gun verses the knife posed for a strike? Well most people facing someone with a gun---drawn or not are not going to take the chance. Even so they might get the first cut but odds are it won't be lethal, the shot from the gun at close range WILL be lethal. But then you know I'm a gun guy and I can draw pretty fast. 

This comes down to the two points mentioned over and over, situational awareness and becoming proficient with your pistol.  If you lack either, you are indeed a sitting duck.  Just having a weapon of some type, even a stick, is of no use if you don't know how to use it.

Great post Umbra.  

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22/04/2019 7:01 pm  
Posted by: Umbra Ascensor

I agree with both of you. Having a fast draw time on a gun is important and useful, but as Uly The Cunning said, when in close range, and its going to be hand to hand, trying to pull the gun will become a liability if the assailant knows what one's doing. After some thought, I am thinking it may be useful to train to use both a knife and a gun. This way if I'm in a situation where a gun becomes to problematic to draw or use, I have something to use as backup. I do know most people the moment they see a gun or knife will back down unless they are either desperate to get their hands on your money or whatever it may be. I wish I still had the essay I wrote about Gun Control.

Remember that the third option is to completely avoid the conflict if possible.  Basic hand to hand is also a great idea and routine practice is pretty good exercise as well.

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