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20/04/2019 9:34 pm  

The Chinese Navy will celebrate it's 70th anniversary on Tuesday, 23 April 2019 by holding a fleet review near the port city of Quingdao, along the north western edge of the Yellow sea.

It is anticipated that approximately 32 vessels and 39 Chinesse arircraft will be showcased, including new types of submarines and destroyers. While China's first aircraft carrier will be present, it is unknown if the nations second carrier will take part as well.  Last years review of 48 vessels and 76 planes was conducted in the South China Sea and was the subject of dispute and concern by many other nations.

In addition to a strong Chinese military presence, over ten other nations are expected to take part in the fleet review and over 60 country delegations might be represented.  Many are nations who have a common interest in the South China Sea and have been in disagreement with China's recent continued expansion into the South China Sea. 

There will certainly be U.S. interest in the new vessel and aircraft designs displayed during this event.  Even if there will not be a formal U.S. presence at  Tuesday's review, allies present, Japan being one, will certainly attempt to obtain as much information as possible in light of the continues Southern expansion of the Sino Navy.

While China will attempt to present next weeks events solely as a display of capacity to assist globally, many are viewing this as another step towards a future drive towards the Chinese pursuit of regional and international hegemony.

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20/04/2019 9:57 pm  
Posted by: GregBO

The Chinese Navy will celebrate it's 70th anniversary on Tuesday, 23 April 2019 by holding a fleet review near the port city of Quingdao, along the north western edge of the Yellow sea.

It is anticipated that approximately 32 vessels and 39 Chinesse arircraft will be showcased, including new types of submarines and destroyers. While China's first aircraft carrier will be present, it is unknown if the nations second carrier will take part as well.  Last years review of 48 vessels and 76 planes was conducted in the South China Sea and was the subject of dispute and concern by many other nations.

In addition to a strong Chinese military presence, over ten other nations are expected to take part in the fleet review and over 60 country delegations might be represented.  Many are nations who have a common interest in the South China Sea and have been in disagreement with China's recent continued expansion into the South China Sea. 

There will certainly be U.S. interest in the new vessel and aircraft designs displayed during this event.  Even if there will not be a formal U.S. presence at  Tuesday's review, allies present, Japan being one, will certainly attempt to obtain as much information as possible in light of the continues Southern expansion of the Sino Navy.

While China will attempt to present next weeks events solely as a display of capacity to assist globally, many are viewing this as another step towards a future drive towards the Chinese pursuit of regional and international hegemony.

If I'm not mistaken both the first and second aircraft carriers are both of a well know design, and a rather old one at that.  What I'm thinking is the interest with either of the aforementioned carriers is to what extent they can project Chinese military power.  Things like engine speed, cruising range, # of planes onboard, capacity of ground troops (PLAAN Marines and PLA Soldiers), and radar specifications.  As for the jets, and I may be mistaken here, most of them are either copied (both legally and illegally) from Russian aircraft.  Things like the SU 27, Mig 35, 29, 30, and TU model bombers and transport aircraft.  Am I correct?  


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20/04/2019 10:20 pm  
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If I'm not mistaken both the first and second aircraft carriers are both of a well know design, and a rather old one at that.  What I'm thinking is the interest with either of the aforementioned carriers is to what extent they can project Chinese military power.  Things like engine speed, cruising range, # of planes onboard, capacity of ground troops (PLAAN Marines and PLA Soldiers), and radar specifications.  As for the jets, and I may be mistaken here, most of them are either copied (both legally and illegally) from Russian aircraft.  Things like the SU 27, Mig 35, 29, 30, and TU model bombers and transport aircraft.  Am I correct?  

100% spot on Travis.

The PLA Navy held its largest ever fleet review in the South China Sea last year. Photo: Xinhua

The PLA Navy during the 2018 South China Sea "Fleet Review"

Both Chinese carrier designs are limited to using ramps as China does not currently possess the technology to deploy catapults for launching aircraft.  As This has the further impact on limiting the size of the aircraft, and the payload being launched.  This is a huge advantage for U.S. Naval force projections as all U.S. carrier strike groups are deployed far from resupply locations.  While there are 11 U.S. CSG's, seven carriers are listed as undergoing maintenance, one undergoing pre-deployment and one post-post deployment workups (two additional carriers being built), only two are listed as being forward deployed.  The CVN Reagan homeported in Yokosuka Japan and the CVN Stennis on station in the Persian Gulf.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/where.htm

 

(2000 RIMPAC exercise - USS Abraham Lincoln CSG)

Once the Chinese military complex begins producing Short Take Off Vertical Landing aircraft, and or utilizing older arrested recovery systems (non-nuclear), their carrier designs will begin replicating U.S. and French designs. This will allow for rapid operations in an immediate area while land based aircraft travel to the area of interest. 

Check one again Travis. The Sino PLA Navy can utilize older designs for their carrier and airplanes due to their shortened supply chain, and the close proximity of their areas of interest.  The Indian, South China and Yellow seas are of particular interest for them and the current focus for force projections.

We have not even mentioned any utilization of nuclear technology or weaponization, this is truly a major strategic and tactical game changer.

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21/04/2019 5:59 am  

I thought it was cool how China just started making islands on their side of the planet and making military bases, i saw a video talking about it on YouTube the other day, and see you mentioned it on this thread. Dosnt seem like the United States likes it, but it doesn’t seem like there’s anything we can really do about it. And maybe it’s against the “international rules” or something,  but like any  government in the world does, they said, fuck your rules, and fuck how you feel, where building our islands. And risk a nuclear Armageddon if you try and stop us.

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21/04/2019 6:30 am  

I can't believe the Chinese are dumb enough to go down the aircraft carrier rat hole. The Bismarck signaled the end of the battleship and the results of the battle of Midway demonstrated that the aircraft carrier is just a big high dollar target waiting to go up in flames and down to the bottom. The future of naval warfare is a submarine capable of launching drones---and anti ship missiles. 


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22/04/2019 12:54 am  
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I thought it was cool how China just started making islands on their side of the planet and making military bases, i saw a video talking about it on YouTube the other day, and see you mentioned it on this thread. Dosnt seem like the United States likes it, but it doesn’t seem like there’s anything we can really do about it. And maybe it’s against the “international rules” or something,  but like any  government in the world does, they said, fuck your rules, and fuck how you feel, where building our islands. And risk a nuclear Armageddon if you try and stop us.

Check Red Pill.  There is not a nation in the East that can, or will stand up to China.  While the U.S. had numerous treaties, until the Chinese truly gets provocative in the region, the U.S. will just monitor the situation and send aid monies to qualm any fears with allied nations.  Same game, same rules.

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22/04/2019 12:57 am  
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I can't believe the Chinese are dumb enough to go down the aircraft carrier rat hole. The Bismarck signaled the end of the battleship and the results of the battle of Midway demonstrated that the aircraft carrier is just a big high dollar target waiting to go up in flames and down to the bottom. The future of naval warfare is a submarine capable of launching drones---and anti ship missiles. 

Same story T.E.G., prepare for the next war by using the tactics and technology from the previous wars.  The Falklands taught the UK the danger of anti-ship missiles and the last 18 years has shown the world the impact of drones.  Yet, nations seem to believe that the days of naval superiority remain king.  

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22/04/2019 12:16 pm  

This will be an ongoing thing until the tensions reach a point of reaction. It might be decades, it could be next year, but eventually one side is going to tip that steaming kettle and the disaster will come pouring out. We are just one circumstance from a world war, but have been that way for a long time.

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22/04/2019 5:01 pm  

Check Uly. 

With so many nations attempting to increase their economic, political and technological power, the inevitable classes are occurring faster and faster.  While the drive for dominance was previously the exclusive domain of nation states, it is now a term that can be used to describe companies and social constructs as well.

The SJW and feminist cultures are examples of social construct extremes. 

 

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24/04/2019 10:05 pm  
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Can I call it OR WHAT?

Absolutely TEG.  The most telling quote from the article is

"Although some might consider these [U.S.] modernization plans expensive, I believe that America can afford survival," Hyten said."

Full steam ahead, here we go making our nukes "Better, Faster, Stronger"

 

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16/05/2019 7:51 pm  

Since we last tuned in ....

It was reported this month that the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has commissioned nearly four times the ships as the US Navy over the past decade.  Why might this be important, China is not only attempting to influence the waters in Asia, but those around the world, and the US Navy cannot compete with these numbers, nor can any combination of US allies.

The Falkland Islands War showed the vulnerability of naval vessels to missiles; the HMS Sheffiled was sunk by an Exocet anti-ship missile.

Given recent deployments to the Middle East, the units available within the US Navy for force projection are greatly diminished.  This coupled with China's continued expansion of military capabilities has a significant impact upon US national security.  China currently has 106 naval missile platforms in the Western Pacific ocean region compared to the US Navy's 22. 

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16/05/2019 11:19 pm  

AH yes the Ghost of Mahan is alive and well. 


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17/05/2019 2:41 am  

Was Mahan not in the 1800's and associated with capital ships???  thought that you would reference a Prussian Officer instead.

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