Notre Dame Cathedral Fire.  

 

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16/04/2019 3:34 am  

By now, everyone has probably heard about the fire at Notre Dame. Reuters has a good cover on it as their front page article, as well as video footage. The spire collapsed, but shortly after that, it was declared that they were beginning to get a handle on it, and say that they saved the structure from complete destruction. There are now promises of rebuilding, but the irony is that might be what began the fire in the first place, during a very expensive and large renovation. It will be interesting to find out more about how it started exactly.

Despite constant claims that it is being treated as an accident, the investigation force has increased, as has more questioning by inspectors. This might be claimed as an accident to avoid controversy, as many things throughout France and many other European nations have been destroyed by a rising population of forced Islamic immigrants who detest these structures and what they used to or still do stand for.

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16/04/2019 4:49 am  

The fire ostensibly began almost to the minute the Cathedral closed for the day. Now anyone who has ever been involved in construction knows that the procedures and precautions in place to prevent any sort of accident are manifold. In addition there is almost always a "fire watch" in place after work has ended for the day in order to protect against fires. The liability insurance required for the contractors would have mandated layers upon layers of precautions. This is a world heritage site--just imagine what an insurance carrier would have required of a contractor. 

To those claiming it is merely and "oooppps" accident I have news---that is a conclusion and there is no evidence at this point to support that conclusion. 
In point of fact as I discussed above the notion of an accident in the face of all of the precautions makes that explanation unlikely.  


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16/04/2019 5:15 am  

That is my thoughts as well. They knew the priceless value of the arts and items there, and there were strict policies in dealing with them and around them. I will not make a definitely statement of it is or isn't intentional, but it is highly improbably that it is an accident.

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16/04/2019 12:00 pm  

It's a sign, no matter how the fire started, it's still a sign. It burnt on Easter Day, not a detail to be overlooked, at least spiritually.

It's a sign that France doesn't deserve to have that cathedral anymore. France isn't a Christian country anymore so what the fuck does it need a cathedral for anyway?

Why in the hell are they going to rebuild it? For who?? The two or three cats who show up for mass? 

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16/04/2019 2:09 pm  

Check T.H.G.  Funny how the current renovation project was just part of the estimated 150 million euros ($180 million) required to address much needed repair and restoration.  The Friends of Notre-Dame de Paris foundation estimated in Sep 2017 "that $40 million dollars were needed for urgent repairs, and it hopes to raise over $110 million in the next decade for complete renovations.  The French government allocates about $2.4 million dollars per year for upkeep of the Cathedral and pledges in mid 2017 to double that amount for the next 10 years.

Post fire, two French Billionaies have pledged 300 million Euros to rebuild the Cathedral and President Macron plans a national fundraising campaign as well.  One has to wonder if the "new" Cathedral of Notre Dame will retain all the original design elements, or will be transformed into a more current and contemporary statement for "today's society". 

Strange how money becomes available when a tragedy hits the international new.    Wait, the tragedy had been around for hundreds of years and the citizens of France walked around it, over it and bypassed it every day.  

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16/04/2019 2:35 pm  
Posted by: Untamed

It's a sign, no matter how the fire started, it's still a sign. It burnt on Easter Day, not a detail to be overlooked, at least spiritually.

It's a sign that France doesn't deserve to have that cathedral anymore. France isn't a Christian country anymore so what the fuck does it need a cathedral for anyway?

Why in the hell are they going to rebuild it? For who?? The two or three cats who show up for mass? 

Check Untamed:  

"The French don’t spend much time in churches. Though most of the population is nominally Catholic, France is one of the least religious countries in Europe. Urbane, intellectual Parisians often dismiss religion as archaic and unenlightened. A Parisian writer once assured me that God died in the late 1960s."  20190414  Pamela Druckerman, New York Times

So begins chapter two of this saga, much to follow I'm sure!

 

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16/04/2019 3:38 pm  
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Posted by: Untamed

It's a sign, no matter how the fire started, it's still a sign. It burnt on Easter Day, not a detail to be overlooked, at least spiritually.

It's a sign that France doesn't deserve to have that cathedral anymore. France isn't a Christian country anymore so what the fuck does it need a cathedral for anyway?

Why in the hell are they going to rebuild it? For who?? The two or three cats who show up for mass? 

Check Untamed:  

"The French don’t spend much time in churches. Though most of the population is nominally Catholic, France is one of the least religious countries in Europe. Urbane, intellectual Parisians often dismiss religion as archaic and unenlightened. A Parisian writer once assured me that God died in the late 1960s."  20190414  Pamela Druckerman, New York Times

So begins chapter two of this saga, much to follow I'm sure!

 

Thank you for affirming my point, GregBo. 

Now that I read your post, I'm thinking this fire was intentional. When money talks, bullshit walks.

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16/04/2019 5:49 pm  

Check Untamed.  That's the conclusion T.E.G. and I came to while talking last night.  Way too many "change" happenings occurred.  The fire occurring in just the right spot.  After the work day.  No fire guards.  A "contaminant" or "system failure" in the work area that no one noticed.  A spark point for the fire. ....... The list of suspicious facts regarding the actual work site was long.  You add to that the information T.E.G. discussed regarding the increase in "incidents" at European church's was very intriguing.  

Then again, it could have been an untimely "Act of God" and fully covered by the Insurance Policy the renovation would have been required to have from the start.  Then again ...

 

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16/04/2019 6:54 pm  

This would be a strange concept but is very possible. Imagine if the government knew the only way they could manage the funds to their desires of something the people through away long ago was to damage it themselves. This could be another inside job like 9/11 but without the deaths.

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21/04/2019 11:55 am  

Just an update:

With rebuilding now becoming the focus, the French president, Emmanuel Macron, wants the cathedral to be rebuilt within five years. While the cause of the fire is still unknown, there is belief that they located where it began. Paris prosecutors are investigating if an electrical short-circuit from elevators that were made for use by the construction workers, during the renovation. They are adamant in saying that this was not another church terrorist attack, which has been happening on a daily occurrence throughout France. The reports are also quick to point out how many of the priceless artifacts were rescued from the flames, and were taken to the Louvre museum for safekeeping. Though many did not know, the top of Notre Dame also had bees which are reported to have also survived, according to beekeeper Nicolas Geant. 

What all was lost is still not being fully reported, and there is no time table on when that information will be released. Currently, the focus is on rebuilding and avoiding any further damage, according to officials. 

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29/05/2019 1:52 am  

As the Notre Dame fire has receeded into recent memory and is no longer considered news, I was wondering if anyone knows the latest about any arson investigations.  Hopefully they are not sticking with the accidental fire story.

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