Suspension Theory and the legitimization of looting  

 

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25/02/2019 7:27 pm  

Below is a Louisiana law review article from 2010. (Vol 70 nr. 4) Here is the upshot of the article: When there is a natural disaster, like a hurricane normal "property rights" are suspended. The "communal needs" of looters to survive the emergency legitimizes their looting.

Obviously it is a long and complex article and my two sentence summary doesn't really do it justice; on the contrary I can't begin to do justice to how frighting and shocking  this article is to any sensible person. Its matter of fact assumptions about the need to excuse criminal conduct and assume that looters are subject to some kind of communal group-think that should be validated left me breathless. (To answer the unasked---NO the author never addresses the issue of looting from the looters---is that OK too?) SSSHHHhhhh don't ask such questions--just understand your property rights are "fluid" based upon what the community needs. I think I'm going to puke.

This is mainstream legal thought gentlemen and its is scary. It is truly the "banality of evil."

https://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=6331&context=lalrev


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25/02/2019 7:36 pm  

I got my corebore, a generator to run it, and a bank vault to loot extract!  

Thanks Evil G! Now for a natural disaster to justify the theft need! It takes millions of dollars to fix my road properly!     

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25/02/2019 7:40 pm  

HA HA after I read the article I could NOT get the following image out of my mind: In the movie Road Warrior there is a scene where the Lord Humongus says to the folks in the compound--"Just walk away", 

In light of the article he should have said: "Our communal need for survival gives us the right to loot the gas" SO THERE! 


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25/02/2019 7:58 pm  

The barbarians are at the gates.

" society should embrace the property outlaw as an enabler of the "reevaluation of, and, at times, productive shifts in the distribution or content of property entitlements."

Gangs become communities and private citizens constitutional rights become null and void.  There will be many "Homicide" investigations after the next significant natural disaster.  

Despite the societal need for stability, individuals need property to survive.  This need for survival can cause those without property to challenge existing property rights.  Penalver and Katyal go so far as to argue that the "propertyless person" should take for himself the property of others that he needs to
survive. This argument rings especially true after disasters like Hurricane Katrina that cause large-scale loss and create conditions of instability. The need for human survival often softens the reality that looters are essentially thieves; society is more sympathetic to the looting of necessity goods, especially in the most desperate of times. 

Because society's perceptions of looting often prove to be factually dependent on the type of property taken and the circumstances in which the looting occurs, looting should be addressed from the viewpoint of how it affects the structure and organization that property law promotes at any particular time.
Although violent, large-scale group looting could be interpreted as a mass protest against society's conception of ownership and order, a single looter acting without any violence or protest is perceived much differently. The scholarly discussions concerning looting must reflect this reactionary dichotomy. Professors Joseph Singer and Gregory Alexander argue that the stability of property law depends, ironically, on its malleability-on its "capacity to be modified or restrained to take into account the intersecting rights and needs of others.  The scholarship that addresses looting should encourage such malleability in order to address the multiplicity of societal responses to looting

The underlying purpose of the Suspension Theory is to facilitate the transition from private ownership to "communal ownership" in order to provide for the community members who are most in need. Furthermore, in reality, in these types of disaster situations, community officials often tolerate and facilitate this transition, (arguing that looting is often a symbolic act of defiance and that the "carnival spirit" accompanying some occasions of looting represents widespread social support for the new definition of "property".

even if private resources are limited The Suspension Theory is the theoretical justification for such action. Community members can break into stores to obtain food and other necessities in order to provide temporary shelter and meals for those left helpless without fear of public or criminal retribution. According to Quarantelli and Dynes, the suspension of property laws almost "defines looting out of existence . . . but not quite." This is because post-disaster looting is strictly limited to community  members and for community ends.  If outsiders take luxury goods for their own use, then the Suspension Theory does not work to remove criminal liability for those who break these two "rules."

 

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25/02/2019 8:04 pm  
Posted by: The Evil Genius

 

In light of the article he should have said: "Our communal need for survival gives us the right to loot the gas" SO THERE! 

Exactly!  Thanks T.E.G.

Imagine the number of selfies that will be taken to "prove your inclusion within the Community".  Great post and even better, a very prophetic warning for property owners. Time to install solar panel power on the external security cameras as this will result in trying to argue "stand your ground" against community "needs justified" looting needs.

​"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal." -Albert Pike

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25/02/2019 8:26 pm  

I would like to know what disaster or national emergency that allows a court in Illinois to loot my property ie 20% of my money for the survival of a woman making 6X my salary.

To add insult to injury, in court I am referred to as a defendant...I defend myself against accusation and I am referred to as a participant in the Disbursal Unit system. Paying $20 to go on a charity bike ride makes you a participant. 

Participant my ass...

 


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Posted by: may72020

I would like to know what disaster or national emergency that allows a court in Illinois to loot my property ie 20% of my money for the survival of a woman making 6X my salary.

To add insult to injury, in court I am referred to as a defendant...I defend myself against accusation and I am referred to as a participant in the Disbursal Unit system. Paying $20 to go on a charity bike ride makes you a participant. 

Participant my ass...

 

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25/02/2019 10:22 pm  

Holy Shit! GregBo actually suffered through reading the article---my guess he needs a drink---perhaps several! 

May that is easy to answer---the natural disaster was MARRYING! You manufactured a disaster---you bad bad boy you! 


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26/02/2019 1:12 am  

Had to T.E.G. to know what the next sucker punch will look like.  Move everything inside that is valuable and keep a "three gun" mix on each level of the house.   Let the community attempt to survive a diet of 100% lead and steel.

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Had to T.E.G. to know what the next sucker punch will look like.  Move everything inside that is valuable and keep a "three gun" mix on each level of the house.   Let the community attempt to survive a diet of 100% lead and steel.

We have lots of bangbang power here, deep in the electric forest!

Bang bang bang, rat tat tat, all the intruders go down!

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26/02/2019 4:42 am  

Evil Genius are you not a privateer  like Mgtower?  It is not called looting until they are caught and appear before authorities.

Everything is legal in a lawless society.

Until they allow common law courts to have trials with juries and evidence based on truth, it is all unjust administrative violence, and everything collected is loot or pirates booty.

Everything the government hands out is stolen property.

Dirty hands doctrine should keep the incredible accusation industry from harming  civilian looters.

Government  leads  by example, and  legitimizes any and all scams.

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27/02/2019 11:35 pm  

Not sure where I stand on the legitimization of looting, but I do know that when Hollywood made a movie glamorizing Chris Kyle, who said, on tape, that he shot 30 Katrina looters, I nearly threw up. Not sure what the truth of what he did was, but either way, the guy was a piece of shit.


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28/02/2019 2:19 am  

This sounds like the government is putting the task on the people to take care of themselves, despite the large amount of funds from taxes that was supposed to handle this exact thing. If you rob Paul's house, then the government will not have to worry about taking care of you, and Paul will then have to rob Jim's house. This is the government putting the people into a laboratory like mice, and saying, "Go at it!" The reduced people that need help will help the government hide the mishandling of the taxes and government funds. They have looked bad in every situation so far, so this seems to be an attempt to have an out. 

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This sounds like the government is putting the task on the people to take care of themselves, despite the large amount of funds from taxes that was supposed to handle this exact thing. If you rob Paul's house, then the government will not have to worry about taking care of you, and Paul will then have to rob Jim's house. This is the government putting the people into a laboratory like mice, and saying, "Go at it!" The reduced people that need help will help the government hide the mishandling of the taxes and government funds. They have looked bad in every situation so far, so this seems to be an attempt to have an out. 

Who better than the biggest thief of all to say stealing is okay so nobody sees or thinks about all that they've stolen? We're talking generational theft and stealing everything we've worked for, past, present, and future! ALL GONE! SPENT!   


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# “Thou shalt not steal.”  (Exodus 20:15)

#Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. (Revelation 3:3)


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It's the 10 commandments! Not the 10 "suggestions"... 

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28/02/2019 9:39 pm  

Good one Redpillbible/Tower; When one is reseraching law sometimes its best to go back to basics. 

The true upshot of the article (and it is a little bit hidden) is NOT that looting is OK, although she says it is, rather if looting is OK then stopping looters must not be OK. THAT is her point. 

And THX what is your problem with Chris Kyle? The guy is a hero. Wait a minute is this about the whole Jesse Ventura thing? 


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This sounds like the government is putting the task on the people to take care of themselves, despite the large amount of funds from taxes that was supposed to handle this exact thing. If you rob Paul's house, then the government will not have to worry about taking care of you, and Paul will then have to rob Jim's house. This is the government putting the people into a laboratory like mice, and saying, "Go at it!" The reduced people that need help will help the government hide the mishandling of the taxes and government funds. They have looked bad in every situation so far, so this seems to be an attempt to have an out. 

Check. 150 years ago it was called the Wild West in the United States and Colonial Expansion in the remainder of the World.  Clean your muskets, sharpen up your blades and stock up on the powder, we're going to get another 40 acres of land.

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Good one Redpillbible/Tower; When one is reseraching law sometimes its best to go back to basics. 

The true upshot of the article (and it is a little bit hidden) is NOT that looting is OK, although she says it is, rather if looting is OK then stopping looters must not be OK. THAT is her point. 

And THX what is your problem with Chris Kyle? The guy is a hero. Wait a minute is this about the whole Jesse Ventura thing? 

I take it you haven't read Kyle's book. He stated he sniped Americans for looting... Also, he fought in wars not in my country's benefit based on lies, on my dime. Even if he was just bragging about killing Americans for looting without it being true... shows me what kind of psycho he is/was.

You endorse executions of American Citizens for theft and wars based on lies not in your country's interest?

Sniping people with superior gear in other countries based on lies is not really heroic to me. Who is he a hero to? U.S.? Iraq has/had nothing to do with me. Hero to Israel maybe.

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Good one Redpillbible/Tower; When one is reseraching law sometimes its best to go back to basics. 

The true upshot of the article (and it is a little bit hidden) is NOT that looting is OK, although she says it is, rather if looting is OK then stopping looters must not be OK. THAT is her point. 

And THX what is your problem with Chris Kyle? The guy is a hero. Wait a minute is this about the whole Jesse Ventura thing? 

I take it you haven't read Kyle's book. He stated he sniped Americans for looting... Also, he fought in wars not in my country's benefit based on lies, on my dime. Even if he was just bragging about killing Americans for looting without it being true... shows me what kind of psycho he is/was.

You endorse executions of American Citizens for theft and wars based on lies not in your country's interest?

Sniping people with superior gear in other countries based on lies is not really heroic to me. Who is he a hero to? U.S.? Iraq has/had nothing to do with me. Hero to Israel maybe.

Live by the Sword, die by the Sword.

~Ron Paul on Kyle's death

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